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NADWORNY: How do you see this fitting into other populist movements in Europe? I mean, it sounds also familiar for folks here in the U.S., reminiscent of Trump-style populism.

The first time that they fire a far-right party is in government in the history of democracy in Spain. RAMIREZ: It's actually a big deal because of this possibility that they may enter government for the first time. What does it mean? How big of a deal is it to win these seats? Does that mean there's going to be a coalition government? NADWORNY: And so Vox winning a dozen seats in a regional election in this more conservative area - you know, Spain is divided up into 17 regions. And in the aftermath of the consultation in Catalonia regarding independence - that was also a very polarizing issue in Spain. But in 2013, it was in the aftermath of the financial crisis. And probably it's because of history, because extreme right dictatorships dominated both countries until the '70s. In Europe, there weren't any far-right parties. For many years, Spain and Portugal were the Iberian Peninsula exception. Where did it come from? What's the history of the party?

NADWORNY: This is a relatively new party, and it hasn't been around that long, just since 2013. So they they are a bit theatrical sometimes. They are very aggressive towards journalists of any kind of mainstream media, and they are really going to places in Spain with a little bit of a show. That has been a very prominent issue in Spain. And they are very much against any law that tries to push more gender equality or fights against domestic violence against women. And they are mainly more radical on issues like immigration and gender equality, asking for more restrictions on immigration. RAMIREZ: Well, Vox is a party - more conservative than the mainstream conservative party in Spain. To help explain is Maria Ramirez, deputy managing editor of elDiario.es, an online Spanish newspaper. Nevertheless, Vox's rise has upended the country's ruling conservative party, and it has people wondering what it portends for the country's general election next year. It'd be in just one region of Spain and not on a national level. The far-right Vox party is poised to hold political power for the first time. The radical right is solidifying its foothold in Spain.

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